Curse

Tyla · Jan 20, 2009, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by arienrhode

general lack of care.

Guilty!

12chars

Balky · Jan 20, 2009, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Tyla;

Or you could switch to a staff built for PvE skills (press F2!) to get more out of it, at least in my opinion - I think a 33% Daze sword with +30HP, 10%HCT / +5E inscrip and (possibly) a focus on switch if you're using a martial weapon.

If you're using a bow. I'd much rather use something that will deal damage instead of me being a condition bitch.

It's not hard to tell when a target is warming a skill up, but unless you have quicksilver reflexes, you're going nowhere but spamming. You'll occasionally hit one, but rarely - we are talking bosses here, and in Hard Mode.

Unless there is an update so out-of-bounds that my knowledge of the game or arguments are made invalid, I'll be here to stay. The reason I'm here? Why shouldn't I give my own advice? If people have a problem, they should argue against my advice and present other things. I do the same thing - it adds to a discussion, and gives the person requiring help a bit more insight on the area s/he is confused about.

Rangers with swords ...interesting theory, not sure i want to park myself in middle of a mob

If you played...esp in JQ you`d know thats what most rangers seem to have turned into alas

I never mentioned H/M you did, but i suppose it`s a point.

If you`re not playing you`re not experiencing or testing, making your opinions to my mind less helpful than you`d like to think, bit like me saying what it`s like to be a pro football player

Balky · Jan 20, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by Marverick;

["You Move Like a Dwarf!"][Broad Head Arrow] <-- how to land BHA on a moving target

Also good luck reflexing 0.66s casts in hard mode... meh.

Bring both - use BHA for stuff that you can't interrupt with C-shot, and use C-shot for stuff that has long cast times or predictable casting patterns.

Using [You Move Like a Dwarf] is an interesting idea, but do you really want to be in shout range? [Pin Down] might be a far better option surely?

[Technobabble] with [Barrage] might work , downside being the loss of any preps you have up

Improvavel · Jan 20, 2009, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by Balky

Monster don`t always stop ug, monster move BHA miss, concussion shot quicker arrow, less chance miss ug

Monsters don't move and use spells/attack at the same time.

And if you need, just run in their faces to shorten flight time.

All the rangers in the world should stop using longbows and go to recurve range. You have decent armor (and 100 vs elemental) and have skills like [[Lightning reflexes] and [[throw dirt] if any melee bad ass goes after you.

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Originally Posted by Balky

Using [You Move Like a Dwarf] is an interesting idea, but do you really want to be in shout range?

Again, what is the problem of being in shout range with a ranger?

Rhamia Darigaz · Jan 20, 2009, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

If you can interrupt ~1/4 cast consistently with Concussion, you really shouldn't be doing PvE anymore because you'd be the best GvG player of all time.

i doubt it. micro skills don't win gvgs.

Zodiac Meteor · Jan 20, 2009, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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How does anyone miss with with BHA? Pull, monster stop, throw BHA - 100% accuracy!

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Monster don`t always stop ug, monster move BHA miss, concussion shot quicker arrow, less chance miss ug

Here is a crazy insane thought. Go near the monster and shoot instead of standing 100 feet back and hope it hits.
Honestly, it's not hard to miss with BHA. Play smart with the skill. [[read the [email protected]] perhaps? [[favorable [email protected]]? Heck, you don't even need those for it to play right.

Rhamia Darigaz · Jan 20, 2009, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor

Here is a crazy insane thought. Go near the monster and shoot instead of standing 100 feet back and hope it hits.
Honestly, it's not hard to miss with BHA. Play smart with the skill. [[read the [email protected]] perhaps? [[favorable [email protected]]? Heck, you don't even need those for it to play right.

read the wind and favorable winds don't affect BHA.

Improvavel · Jan 20, 2009, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor

Honestly, it's not hard to miss with BHA. Play smart with the skill. [[read the [email protected]] perhaps? [[favorable [email protected]]?

Those wont work. The speed of BHA is fixed. The way to lessen the arc is getting closer to the enemy.

TheOrangeFalcon · Jan 20, 2009, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by Balky

Rangers with swords ...interesting theory, not sure i want to park myself in middle of a mob

He meant use the sword as a swap when you use technobable so that you can have a daze mod and a hct mod and not have to worry about bringing a special bow or anything.

moriz · Jan 20, 2009, 02:23 AM // 02:23

there's been a fairly popular ranger build in gvg that used concussion shot, with prepared shot to fuel it. of course, it was eventually made obsolete by more powerful templates like ranger turrets and such.

Lourens · Jan 20, 2009, 08:08 AM // 08:08

[Pin down][Concussion shot] > Daze on demand

Cripple > Dismiss Condition > C Shot

and add [Marksman's Wager] to the mix so you can spam it

and use a zealous bow

Imo Concussion shot with 5 recharge is more IMBA then Palm Strike

Proud Elitist · Jan 21, 2009, 04:47 AM // 04:47

This is the main build for Concuss Shot:

[Build prof=Ranger/Monk Marksmanship=10+1 Expertise=11+1+1 Wilderness=9+1 Protection=3][Prepared Shot][Concussion Shot][Distracting Shot][Apply Poison][Natural Stride][Mending Touch][Troll Unguent][Resurrection Signet][/build]

The reason why it is not widely used is simply because:

A) You pretty much require another person to sit on the target, since your attacks are about 2 seconds re-fire. Although this is kind-of a given if you rupt Guardian with Concuss but not so much in simple areas like RA.
B) You're sacrificing Savage Shot for it, meaning less control over the frontline or in splits.
C) Skills like Draw Conditions owns Daze. Period.
D) Quite simply, there are better builds out for the Ranger at this time. BA Flail Ranger Turret, for example; which should be nerfed.

Lourens · Jan 21, 2009, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by Proud Elitist

This is the main build for Concuss Shot:

[Build prof=Ranger/Monk Marksmanship=10+1 Expertise=11+1+1 Wilderness=9+1 Protection=3][Prepared Shot][Concussion Shot][Distracting Shot][Apply Poison][Natural Stride][Mending Touch][Troll Unguent][Resurrection Signet][/build]

The reason why it is not widely used is simply because:

A) You pretty much require another person to sit on the target, since your attacks are about 2 seconds re-fire. Although this is kind-of a given if you rupt Guardian with Concuss but not so much in simple areas like RA.
B) You're sacrificing Savage Shot for it, meaning less control over the frontline or in splits.
C) Skills like Draw Conditions owns Daze. Period.
D) Quite simply, there are better builds out for the Ranger at this time. BA Flail Ranger Turret, for example; which should be nerfed.

Marksmans wager is better Dont say you can spam Concussion with prepared shot

elk · Jan 21, 2009, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Lourens

Marksmans wager is better Dont say you can spam Concussion with prepared shot

please refer to the recharges on both C-shot and Prepared shot. Any decent investment into Expertise and Marks will allow you to spam.

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Concussion Shot is incredibly unreliable depending on the connection and all of the factors that make a difference, and with a boss around (face it, Hard Mode actually takes some effort), you're definitely not going to land it unless you have incredibly strong energy management so you can use it more, or you've got some mad prediction ability.

I just wanted to mention the predictability of the bots (regardless of HM or bosses etc). Yes, things like connection are going to play factors but picking up on patterns should be a must as a Ranger (interrupting on reaction is one thing but interrupting on patterns and created situations is another). Same sort of thing could be applied to PvP (obviously though, better players adapt faster hence the challenge).

As someone mentioned above with BHA, use "You're move like a dwarf" with C-shot. Bots quite often cast when standing up (taking class and the "boss status" into consideration as well as the other factors you're eluding to like connection). Bots also typically cast as soon as they are in range so there are two quick methods to applying dazed with some consistancy.

The other thing I personally feel is that there's at least some sort of effort involved. Things like vanquishing are mind numbing and I use skills like c-shot to add some sort of challange or entertainment to the task.

elk

FoxBat · Jan 21, 2009, 06:16 PM // 18:16

The main issue with concussion shot is that you're usually spending your elite on e-manage to support it... in which case why not just use BHA?

Only thing I can think of is if you have a dual purpose for your emanage... for example

[Prepared Shot][Read The Wind][Sundering Attack (PvE)][Penetrating Attack (PvE)][Hunter's Shot][Asuran Scan][Concussion Shot]

Then you can spend energy on blowing things up or dazing dangerous mobs depending on the situation. (Albeit [Broad Head Arrow] + [expert focus] probably works about the same.)

Balky · Jan 21, 2009, 06:34 PM // 18:34

Tried a [Technobabble] and [Barrage] combo with a silencing bow yesterday...it blew chunks lol, mobs just don`t want to stay conveniently grouped, yes you can get 2 or 3 in the mix but that seemed to be it ( at least with a mixed party combo mob) any hint of AoE arriving and they scarpered quicker than you could say misunderestimated

Would defo need a heavy frontline to draw aggro and keep em tight to stand a good chance of maximising it ...or a mob of minions

Looking through the few chars i play now, it does seem the best Daze application is actually [Beguiling Haze] actually the sin has 3 including [Temple Strike] and [Golden Skull Strike] i know from experience in JQ that [Beguiling Haze] and a set of silencing daggers make casters softer than the center of a creme egg !!!

MasterSasori · Jan 21, 2009, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by t00115577

How can you miss with BHA anyway, recurve bow, rtw, get in close to target if you are afraid he might kite, result.

CS, your gonna hit this 1/3 times at best in HM against enemies you need to like monks, with all less than 1/2 sec casts. If you can hit a 1/4 sec cast 100% go for CS otherwise BHA > CS

Recurve and RTW do not affect BHA. If it did, we'd see this in PvP way more often and I'd be even lazier in HM than I already am.